Fandom pet peeves
Just really listen to what the show is telling you. The show is trying to be original but a lot of you want to keep it in a box. The fandom is so aggressive with pushing their theories as facts. Maybe Lucifer and Lilith are lying about their side of story to Charlie but until stated otherwise that's a theory.
Annoying fans keep talking about levels of strength when it's explained differently in the show: Angel Dust says, "just don't hurt her" to Valentino to show just how powerful he is. He's playing nice because of her dad but Angel Dust was still scared for her so the show is telling us that Valentino could've hurt her if he wanted to.
It's obviously not worth attacking Lucifer's daughter but he was getting mad and might not have been able to control his anger for long. We've seen how hot-headed he gets in episode 2. Angel Dust didn't want Valentino to see her, he wasn't worried about himself, he was worried for her the whole time.
That is what I got from that episode and that is all I need because it's good writing that way. Fans forget that ideas and lore changes when new writers join the team. So, the information only matters if it comes from the show. I shouldn't have to follow the creator on social media to fully understand power levels and how the rules work in a show.
Because who do I believe now?
A. Angel Dust telling us that Valentino can hurt Charlie? (And Adam about to kill her if he wasn't stopped by Lucifer)?
Or:
B. The fans sharing that the creator said online that Charlie and her parents are the strongest characters?
I'm gonna go with option A because I have to see it or hear it in the show to believe it. Otherwise:
And there's a difference between her strength and her potential. I'm talking about her strength because no shit she can become powerful, she's Lucifer's daughter. But at the moment, she seems beatable. Her dad is her shield from demons attacking her. And I like that. (I like when characters aren't overpowered like DBZ characters.)
The show is a better way to learn background information and world building than from a tweet or blog post. The author for Harry Potter kept tweeting extra character info that wasn't in the books and fans felt it was a cheap way to do it. (I never read Harry Potter but I agree it's lazy to add lore like that.)
Come out with an official comic book, novel, movie or videogame if you want to share lore that doesn't flow well with the show. Don't tweet, blog or say extra info in interviews.... actually prove it!
Cyberpunk 2077 came out with extra lore adding to their game by making comic books, an anime and a novel. The audiobook is read by the voice actor who plays Female V. Those are good ways to add extra information to the series.
It was amazing learning how powerful Adam was and we learn that angels fight recklessly because they are used to being indestructible. That's why it's so easy to kill a lot of them when they don't even try to dodge because they think they don't need to. How they are killed was a mystery until now.
That's such a good way to make it believable that demons now stand a chance after all those years. Because demons are used to having to dodge each other, they are better fighters than the angels automatically 👌
Accept what the show is giving us because the comics and background information were deleted for a reason. Maybe it's not canon anymore or is being updated.
I do think it's fun that the creator could put stuff in the show as Easter eggs for long time fans who knew the old lore. But you all need to be open minded to their backgrounds being rewritten.
Maybe that's not Angel Dust's sister in Heaven. Maybe it's just an Easter egg.
Maybe Alastor didn't get shot in the head. Maybe the "x" is just an Easter egg.
Just chill with the old lore to new fans. Give the show time to tell us the backstory instead of spoiling or misleading the mystery for us. Ya'll force this information on us when we didn't ask.
Annoying fans telling reaction channels to watch the pilot on Youtube first... But if it was important it would've been in the official season.
The show did respect the pilot by making it take place a week after it but all the information we get from the pilot is repeated in the show.
The pilot is better after watching the show. That way you care enough about seeing how the characters met after getting attached to them. Because it's not extra information, it's the same information told by different characters.
I think the first episode on Amazon Prime is a perfect attention grabber to the series. The Youtube pilot is just for fans to look up if they want fanservice. Which I did. I loved it but I wouldn't have loved it as much if I watched it first. (Also, Angel Dust doesn't tell Mimzy that he already heard Alastor's backstory from Vaggie. So...the pilot isn't canon but it is worth watching! Just AFTER watching the main story.)
Watching the pilot first would ruin the reveal of Alastor's power and past in episode 5, after hearing his past we see a hint of who he was when he threatens Husk. Thankfully I experienced Hazbin Hotel fully on Amazon Prime before looking into the fandom.
(Also, since Mimzy knew him while she was alive why didn't she talk about that? She could've tried and list all the reasons why he's so powerful in Hell based on what he did on Earth. The pilot makes her kinda useless...) "You like taking care of me." Mimzy could've shared stories about that! But the show wanted her to retell his past so fans didn't have to watch the pilot.
If they wanted fans to check it out, they would've had Angel Dust summarize what he heard from Vaggie and ask about Alastor on Earth instead.
I thought about starting this post off with some love but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense to start with a few rants. I talk about my love for Hazbin Hotel all the time with my friend.
But I have no one to fully rant to without being a killjoy, so some of that frustration I wanted to get out right away before talking about how much I love it.
I get so happy finding someone who loves the Vees as much as I do!
I loved Adam mocking Charlie. I love anytime a show can laugh at "the power of love/friendship" mindset. Even if it's proving it right. I appreciate the jab. It's fun to laugh at her being goodie-goodie. I warmed up to her character after rewatching a lot but she was so cringy at first.
I found a lot of Japanese artists on Twitter that love their crackships 🧡 I've bought 31 doujinshi from this site.
I watched someone in Japan react to the show and it was fun watching along with him! And I found a channel where a Japanese fan translates the English text found throughout the show and translating the lyric changes in the English audio and the Japanese audio.
It's so fun to see Japanese fans take interest in our slang and idioms all because of this show!
I love Sera coming off a bit Yandere 💖
I love how complex her character is. She doesn't seem like she a heartless bitch when she says it was a hard decision. But the fact that she states that she cares more about the people in Heaven is so exciting because I'm imagining her as a strong enemy.
I love selfish characters who think the end justifies the means. Like, Erwin Smith from Attack on Titan or Renegade Shepard from Mass Effect, doing whatever it takes to win the war.
If Adam comes back and gets a second chance, I hope Sera doesn't when she gets taken down. Not every character needs to be redeemed. I know it can be good when done well but sometimes redeeming a villain makes them boring. Imagine Lalo Salamanca from Better Call Saul being redeemed....
I love fanart of Adam overpowering Alastor:
I tired to like it more but it's just a 2 out of 5 stars for me. I think I should've watched Helluva Boss first because going from Hazbin Hotel to Helluva Boss felt like a downgrade.
I really hope that Hazbin Hotel continues to ignore Helluva Boss. Easter eggs are fun but any stronger connections than that would make Earth feel so cheap. If Hazbin Hotel ever shows Earth, I would like it to be more serious than it is in Helluva Boss 🤞
It cheapens death; it doesn't seem that bad to die if you can just return and experience Earth anyways. All you have to do is work for the main character and you'll have that option.
Hazbin Hotel is a comedy too but not as much of a gag like Helluva Boss.
It reminds me of Family Guy, Happy Tree Friends or Looney Tunes.
While Hazbin Hotel is more like The Boys or Barry.
Hazbin Hotel gives the bitchy character a good fucking song that goes hard and gives her good points to throw out that even if fans hate her they can't say she didn't win that showdown.
She and her boys sit back, relax and wait for the others to be weakened. I love well written smug characters. Make them be worth hating and be worth the power they have over others!
Meanwhile, Helluva Boss gives the bitchy character a stupid, bratty, one-dimensional personality that forces us to hate her. And it's just to give the husband character a pass to cheat on her because most fans can't handle loving morally grey characters.
Him being a cheater made him interesting but having his wife be a unsympathetic character cheapened him for me. I wanted to feel conflicted! I wanted to understand, root for and be mad at both characters. But it took that from me. Why even have him married at all if there wasn't going to be complicated feelings like there was in Beef?
Velvette takes the word "bitch" and empowers it by calling herself one, making her instantly interesting. We all thought when that song started that she was going to be put in her place but she stood her ground and showed us that she's a smart brat with style 😘
We rant, nitpick and complain because it's part of the fun to nerding out. We want to see something we like do better!
Yes, there are assholes that love to shit on stuff just to piss people off by triggering them but this post isn't giving that energy. At all.
They're wanting to be a geek and rant with other fans who are being chill about it. (It's possible to have a polite debate and understanding each other's points and feelings. You all should try it.)
Vox said "fuck" when having to leave his chair and we hear Velvette and Valentino say it earlier that same episode too. But in the moment Vox says it to Valentino, it stood out more than the other times it's said because he was seen as a calm character until then.
So, in that context, it doesn't matter how many times the show has them swearing because it will always have ways to make certain swear words stand out.
(See how easy it is to disagree with someone without being a bitch about it? This person was downvoted too much just for sharing their opinion in a very polite way. They may as well have been rude and blunt about it to earn the downvotes.)
I loved the first two episodes of Helluva Boss but then it went downhill for me. I liked moments sprinkled throughout the rest of the episodes (otherwise I wouldn't have kept watching) but that's it.
It's like Family Guy: I can love clips of that show but not full episodes.
The main characters are so overpowered that I never have to worry about them. Episodes where they meet a new villain are lackluster because I know who's going to win anyway.
I don't give a fuck about the fight scenes because I know it's always in the main characters' favor. They went head to head with angels when the angels should be invincible with their angelic weapons.
That's why I told someone that I'll rewatch with a different mindset. Whenever I'm in the mood to watch a full episode of Family Guy, I can see myself enjoying Helluva Boss for what it is. But with my friend telling me that they thought Helluva Boss was better than Hazbin Hotel and a lot fans said that too, I went into it thinking it would hit me like Hazbin Hotel did.
I didn't go in with my arms crossed and resistant to it being better than Hazbin Hotel, I was excited to see something better! I was hyped.
South Park knows it's villains are made to highlight the joke by being dumb. While Helluva Boss tries to have them be both, dumb and cool but it's not working for me.
Adam is a better written villain than Mammon. Adam is seen as dumb at first but we slowly learn he has some smart, evil moves like, Eric Cartman. There's room for the series to show more of that side of him with flashbacks or if he gets reborn in Hell and comes back in the season 2:
Mammon's job is to listen to the contest songs but it takes him so long to realize the song is about him. "OMG so funny! He didn't know the song was about him because he's that stupid! Lets all laugh at him!" ....okay.
And the episode would've been better if Fizzarolli had sung the song he planned on instead of this random one he just pulled out of his ass. It was very simple and dull. (Like, the Cotton Candy song 🤮)
Fizzarolli could've still said he quit and actually give his fans a song he worked hard on. The shitty "Fuck You" song could've been in the credits or something if the writers really fuckin' wanted it in the episode.
Also, I hate that character's voice. It's hard to listen to. I know it's the same voice actor for Adam so it's not the voice actor's fault. It's the voice director's fault for telling the him to sound like that. Like, with Mass Effect, the voice for male Shepard is a good VA but I'm not a fan of male Shepard's voice. It sounds emotionless and robotic but the VA shows his skills by voicing other characters in the series.
Going from Hazbin Hotel's music to Helluva Boss' music was a big let down. Hazbin Hotel uses their songs for story telling while Helluva Boss just seems to want "catchy" songs to put on Spotify.
Much more creativity was put into each song with Hazbin Hotel. The lyrics for Stayed Gone are strong that just that song alone puts all the songs in Helluva Boss to shame.
Like I've said before, it would've been better if I had watched Helluva Boss before Hazbin Hotel, because it doesn't hold up now.
The only hope now is maybe the creator can hire more professional help for future episodes of Helluva Boss. Because I do like Blitzo but the rest of the story is boring. So, hopefully with all this fame she can hire better writers. If not then maybe Helluva Boss just isn't for me 🤷
"Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel are incomparable" yet fans who love both do it all the time, as you all can see from the past screenshot with "22 likes"
So, I let them know I had seen more than just thumbnails and I told them to "shoo" in the nicest way possible.
We aren't robots that can organize and limit our emotions and thoughts in a way that has been approved by the fandom. That's not how opinions work.
I love horror but hate romance movies.
I love rock but hate country music.
It doesn't matter how different they are. I compare them because I can, it's that simple.
Don't comment on someone's post if all you're basically going to say is, "Don't be mean to Helluva Boss. It's not fair because it's free!" You act like I called it shit but all I said was that I liked Hazbin Hotel better. A mild post and that's all it took to rub you the wrong way?
(Thank God, Hazbin Hotel isn't free on Youtube too.)
In Helluva Boss, I like that one song in season 1, episode 2 where he sings to his daughter but the rest are trash. (I listened to them all again before typing this just to be fair and yup, not into them.) And even then, that one song I like is a C tier:
Adam can still talk shit but why can't he do that while the show makes the battle intense? "Look at him missing every hit, isn't it funny?!" 😒
His fight with Alastor could have stayed the same but after Adam learns he really is sloppy because he never knew his weaknesses, the show should've shown him more focused and careful with his next fight.
Lucifer just moving out of the way of Adam's hits was so anti-climatic because it wasn't even a little bit serious. Even if Lucifer was toying with him the fight could've still been awesome. We already had the fight where Adam keeps missing his hits...why do it again?
The ending could be the same were Lucifer stops attacking, like Charlie wants, and Adam rants and gets stabbed by Niffty. Everyone loved that. It was funny seeing him get stabbed so many times in the back. I just wanted the lead up to that to be epic. Make it exciting while still showing Adam is about to lose.
Just look at this awesome fanart and imagine how cool the fight could've been:
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(He doesn't stand a chance but the fight was still serious and intense instead of just silly.)
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Remember, he only almost beat him. Meaning Alastor tried to kill him but couldn't for some reason. If Alastor was about to kill him but stopped and walked away then that would've been a win. But Valentino said he almost beat Vox so I don't think Alastor let him live.
Vox got away or defended himself well. Or Valentino and Velvette joined the fight and made Alastor run. I can't wait to find out to truth!
I know card game matches are cliche in other shows but with this being a musical and a cartoon, maybe it wont feel cliche? Imagine it being a music video to make it interesting for people who don't know how to play Poker or Blackjack.
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I makes me sad that these pictures are more exciting to look at than the battles that actually happened.
I hope in season 2 they put in the work on making cool battle scenes like they do with their cool music videos. Imagine if the fights in the last episode looked like this:
Instead of this:
And then the fight was over...
Have the shit talk with good fights. Don't sacrifice cool battles for funny moments when you can have both. (Spoiler for S3 of The Boys but I wanted to link an example of how good comedy can blend into a tense moment. And on the topic of fucking another man's wife and attacking the kids lol)
There's enough funny dialogue in the show already, shock me with the character's moves instead of their insults. It makes serious moments hit harder if the fights and trash talking are also serious.
But Hazbin Hotel could be a show where the fights are not its strong suit. Maybe I need to accept that the musical "rap battles" and story is where it shines.
Season 2 will help me see what type of battles Hazbin Hotel is going for because even the fandom is hoping for some big epic fights between certain characters.
Defensive rant
For the swearing, that's the point! It's showing how angels can get away with anything just because they got in. While people in Hell need to be twice as good to be worthy of visiting Heaven.
For the weakness, it's right under their noses and the show laughs at that. The show tells us its funny with Adam's reaction to finding that out.
This show has the same vibe as The Boys and Barry, with it's violence, drama and comedy. Dumb moments are for comedic effect vs "bad writing" because it shows how dumb luck is a thing in those shows. Meanwhile, in other shows everything has to be mind-blowing.
But if everything were mind-blowing in Hazbin Hotel then soon we'll need characters who can blow up a planet to take out the character that can blow up a city and now we have boring overpowered characters in the show....
I get so annoyed with fans of The Boys, complaining about "dumb writing" when characters find out another character likes fucking holes; any hole, in inanimate objects. (Or when a character can clone themselves and fuck themselves.)
The show loves making fun of random fetishes and you would think fans would understand that by now if they made it that far to get to that episode. "The show is nasty for shock value." It showed you that in the very first episode. The Boys isn't for you if you don't like laughing at sex.
I loved it because no other show would have that as a character's weakness. The Boys made that weakness into the character's lore, that's fucking funny and totally happens where people today get exposed for the most embarrassing shit! Now we get to see it happening to a powerful character in a cool show.
So, Hazbin Hotel giving the angels a weakness that is right under everyone's noses wasn't stupid to me. For a dark comedy, I found it fun and simple. A good way to kinda level the playing field.
No need to complicate a story. And no need to make the story too strict that the weakness needs a deus ex machina.
I do agree that the dragons weren't used to their full potential but I do love that one of them was killed off right away to show how powerful an angel is. But why didn't the dragon that Charlie was riding keep helping her in the fight? Plot hole.
Why didn't Alastor use a holy weapon against Adam? Is it apart of his deal that he can't? If not, that's a plot hole.
Why didn't Lucifer join the battle as soon as one of the angels were attacking Charlie and her group? Or why didn't he show up right after Adam first slapped her out of the sky? Or why didn't he stand nearby and wait until he seen Charlie get hit? Plot hole.
What do the Vees mean by "masterless cattle"? Rosie's people? But Rosie, their master, is still alive. No other people belonging to the overlords were affected. Was the fighting and destruction meant to be bigger but was edited down and the lyrics weren't changed? Plot hole.
All these could be explained later in the series so we'll see.
I'm ranting and nitpicking because I love this show so much. I hope fans reading this can understand that. I'm excited for season 2!
